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		<title>By: William Xander Mute</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2005/11/gifted-children-bipolar-parents/#comment-617102</link>
		<dc:creator>William Xander Mute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All old news. Look, our brains were not meant for having the capabilities that we see in incredibly gifted children and adults. There is simply no reason for it in nature. As such, we can essentially find ourselves poisoned by the same brain chemistry that makes such giftedness possible. It doesn't take much imagination to understand why. Because the mind of a genius works overtime, it can, for obvious reasons, work to the point of overkill.

I've learned one important thing from being bipolar, though: the way to keep yourself from burnout is NOT to suppress that manic energy. What really turns the trick is keeping in mind how delicate your central nervous system is and knowing your limits. Maintain a ruthlessly realistic outlook, and never ever allow yourself to lose your sense of objectivity. Remember: your mind is not a toy, and it's a very difficult thing to put back together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All old news. Look, our brains were not meant for having the capabilities that we see in incredibly gifted children and adults. There is simply no reason for it in nature. As such, we can essentially find ourselves poisoned by the same brain chemistry that makes such giftedness possible. It doesn&#8217;t take much imagination to understand why. Because the mind of a genius works overtime, it can, for obvious reasons, work to the point of overkill.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned one important thing from being bipolar, though: the way to keep yourself from burnout is NOT to suppress that manic energy. What really turns the trick is keeping in mind how delicate your central nervous system is and knowing your limits. Maintain a ruthlessly realistic outlook, and never ever allow yourself to lose your sense of objectivity. Remember: your mind is not a toy, and it&#8217;s a very difficult thing to put back together.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Harper</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2005/11/gifted-children-bipolar-parents/#comment-609554</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm glad people seem to still be randomly coming across this information in this 3 year old post and finding discussion productive and useful.  

From a lot of recent research, a couple of common factors that bipolar people have in common is other people in their family being bipolar (pretty obvious really), and alcoholism.  I assume it's because alcoholism is a form of self-medication?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad people seem to still be randomly coming across this information in this 3 year old post and finding discussion productive and useful.  </p>
<p>From a lot of recent research, a couple of common factors that bipolar people have in common is other people in their family being bipolar (pretty obvious really), and alcoholism.  I assume it&#8217;s because alcoholism is a form of self-medication?</p>
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		<title>By: James Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, cool stories all.  My youngest daughter was diagnosed manic depressant with bipolar disorder at 14 years old.  She was displaying some of the same behaviors as her older brother who had terminated his life and suffered from the same condition as well as a few other physco problems.  So her mother and I actively sought help for her.   Four years later my daughter gave birth to a wonderfully smart little boy.  He is almost 4 now and is the smartest little kid I have ever been around.  My wife and I raised 6 children and although all of them were of above average intelligence he appears to be way ahead of the smartest of the bunch.   My wife and I have taken responsibility for raising our grandson so he gets a lot of attention from us and does have contact with his mother.  It will be interesting to see if his future works out similar to the story you have shared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, cool stories all.  My youngest daughter was diagnosed manic depressant with bipolar disorder at 14 years old.  She was displaying some of the same behaviors as her older brother who had terminated his life and suffered from the same condition as well as a few other physco problems.  So her mother and I actively sought help for her.   Four years later my daughter gave birth to a wonderfully smart little boy.  He is almost 4 now and is the smartest little kid I have ever been around.  My wife and I raised 6 children and although all of them were of above average intelligence he appears to be way ahead of the smartest of the bunch.   My wife and I have taken responsibility for raising our grandson so he gets a lot of attention from us and does have contact with his mother.  It will be interesting to see if his future works out similar to the story you have shared.</p>
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		<title>By: Wanzo</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2005/11/gifted-children-bipolar-parents/#comment-593394</link>
		<dc:creator>Wanzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the findings of the Stanford study as well and found it very interesting. 

Going by that and what I have seen of children of bipolar parents there is definitely a link. My mother has the condition and took her medication very sporadically when we were growing up so there was constant cycling. They say it's a mix of nature and nurture so it's a combination of being exposed to that and inheriting a predisposition to mental illness from my mother's family that gave all of us high IQs. 

I am grateful for this intelligence but if I could choose, I would ask for only an above average IQ and good emotional intelligence. That's where children of bipolar parents suffer the most. Because of an emotionally imbalanced childhood they aren't as well equipped to deal with challenges in adult life and have difficulty forming meaningful relationships. I think most of us manage and although we didn't have these skills leaving home, have developed them to an extent ourselves in the real world. 

He who want the rose must respect the thorn. 

So we should all enjoy the benefits that being the child of a bipolar parent can bestow, but acknowledge the areas that may have suffered in the process and do our best to improve them. 

And to Ami who left comment number 6, that's very sad what happened when you were 17, it must have been very tough for you. I share your sentiment when you say that you're trying not to withdraw as much, it's something that I do too. 

Best of luck to everyone

xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the findings of the Stanford study as well and found it very interesting. </p>
<p>Going by that and what I have seen of children of bipolar parents there is definitely a link. My mother has the condition and took her medication very sporadically when we were growing up so there was constant cycling. They say it&#8217;s a mix of nature and nurture so it&#8217;s a combination of being exposed to that and inheriting a predisposition to mental illness from my mother&#8217;s family that gave all of us high IQs. </p>
<p>I am grateful for this intelligence but if I could choose, I would ask for only an above average IQ and good emotional intelligence. That&#8217;s where children of bipolar parents suffer the most. Because of an emotionally imbalanced childhood they aren&#8217;t as well equipped to deal with challenges in adult life and have difficulty forming meaningful relationships. I think most of us manage and although we didn&#8217;t have these skills leaving home, have developed them to an extent ourselves in the real world. </p>
<p>He who want the rose must respect the thorn. </p>
<p>So we should all enjoy the benefits that being the child of a bipolar parent can bestow, but acknowledge the areas that may have suffered in the process and do our best to improve them. </p>
<p>And to Ami who left comment number 6, that&#8217;s very sad what happened when you were 17, it must have been very tough for you. I share your sentiment when you say that you&#8217;re trying not to withdraw as much, it&#8217;s something that I do too. </p>
<p>Best of luck to everyone</p>
<p>xx</p>
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		<title>By: Nanci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nanci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish these comments went deeper into the effects of them growing up with a Bipolar parent.  My sister has Biploar &#38; at 67 finally (without telling anyone) admitted it to herself &#38; got help.  However, my Daughter (that is married with 2 kids 2 &#38; 3 1/2), has had Bipolar since she was a teenager (is 39 now), &#38; still denys that she is Bipolar.  She says she has Anxiety &#38; is treated for that (which is the wrong meds &#38; doesn't help her at all).  Her manic phases are way more constant than the depression.  She goes thru money like water, has filed bankruptcy &#38; still spends money that she needs for bills. They don't have a dime saved &#38; live paycheck to paycheck.  She listens to no one.  She is a very intelligent person.  She's a critical care nurse &#38; earns very good money, however, she (&#38; her husband) spend money faster than they make it.  Therefore, she has to work 4 &#38; sometimes 5 twelve hour shifts to keep their heads above water &#38; the kids are suffering from hardly seeing their mother (she works 12 hrs &#38; only sleeps for about 4), &#38; she is so stressed out all the time, that she &#38; her husband argue loudly in front of the kids &#38; she always (without realizing it), is hollering &#38; nagging the kids.  They have no structure in their lives &#38; spend half their day in a carseat in the car going shopping.  I feel so bad for them, but I can't get thru to her, she just won't listen.  It's affecting the kids emotionally &#38; I'm afraid it might affect them mentally.  Don't get me wrong - she loves her children &#38; does spend time with them, &#38; is very loving to them, but she thinks her 3 1/2 year olds extreme tantrums &#38; reverting back to wearing diapers, is because something is wrong with her (her daughter), instead of realizing that she is the cause of it &#38; it's her that needs help. 
WHAT can I possibly do to get thru to her?  I am at a loss &#38; thinking of moving to another state to get away from it because I'm not able to get her to help herself &#38; I can't watch the emotional effects this is having on her children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish these comments went deeper into the effects of them growing up with a Bipolar parent.  My sister has Biploar &amp; at 67 finally (without telling anyone) admitted it to herself &amp; got help.  However, my Daughter (that is married with 2 kids 2 &amp; 3 1/2), has had Bipolar since she was a teenager (is 39 now), &amp; still denys that she is Bipolar.  She says she has Anxiety &amp; is treated for that (which is the wrong meds &amp; doesn&#8217;t help her at all).  Her manic phases are way more constant than the depression.  She goes thru money like water, has filed bankruptcy &amp; still spends money that she needs for bills. They don&#8217;t have a dime saved &amp; live paycheck to paycheck.  She listens to no one.  She is a very intelligent person.  She&#8217;s a critical care nurse &amp; earns very good money, however, she (&amp; her husband) spend money faster than they make it.  Therefore, she has to work 4 &amp; sometimes 5 twelve hour shifts to keep their heads above water &amp; the kids are suffering from hardly seeing their mother (she works 12 hrs &amp; only sleeps for about 4), &amp; she is so stressed out all the time, that she &amp; her husband argue loudly in front of the kids &amp; she always (without realizing it), is hollering &amp; nagging the kids.  They have no structure in their lives &amp; spend half their day in a carseat in the car going shopping.  I feel so bad for them, but I can&#8217;t get thru to her, she just won&#8217;t listen.  It&#8217;s affecting the kids emotionally &amp; I&#8217;m afraid it might affect them mentally.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong - she loves her children &amp; does spend time with them, &amp; is very loving to them, but she thinks her 3 1/2 year olds extreme tantrums &amp; reverting back to wearing diapers, is because something is wrong with her (her daughter), instead of realizing that she is the cause of it &amp; it&#8217;s her that needs help.<br />
WHAT can I possibly do to get thru to her?  I am at a loss &amp; thinking of moving to another state to get away from it because I&#8217;m not able to get her to help herself &amp; I can&#8217;t watch the emotional effects this is having on her children.</p>
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		<title>By: Ami Ohayon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ami Ohayon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my own family, you can see definite links between what is now recognised as Aspergers Syndrome, and being gifted. Several cousins, neices, and nephews (especially the boys) have signs of these traits in tandem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my own family, you can see definite links between what is now recognised as Aspergers Syndrome, and being gifted. Several cousins, neices, and nephews (especially the boys) have signs of these traits in tandem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom was bipolar (she killed herself at the age of 34, when I was 17), and I was in the Talented &#38; Gifted program from 2nd grade through high school.

I think that art, for me, was the perfect escape from the chaos at home.  I found that I could already disasociate quite well to protect myself from my mother - and that this skill is very useful when drawing and painting.

I think that my teachers saw this, and labeled me gifted.  Instead of helping me to learn to be more aware and present, it actually encouraged me to be less connected, although I did get very good and was able to study with a few very good artists.

I just wish that at some point someone had helped me learn that there is a time and place for withdrawing and being creative, and a time to be here and now.  I'm working on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom was bipolar (she killed herself at the age of 34, when I was 17), and I was in the Talented &amp; Gifted program from 2nd grade through high school.</p>
<p>I think that art, for me, was the perfect escape from the chaos at home.  I found that I could already disasociate quite well to protect myself from my mother - and that this skill is very useful when drawing and painting.</p>
<p>I think that my teachers saw this, and labeled me gifted.  Instead of helping me to learn to be more aware and present, it actually encouraged me to be less connected, although I did get very good and was able to study with a few very good artists.</p>
<p>I just wish that at some point someone had helped me learn that there is a time and place for withdrawing and being creative, and a time to be here and now.  I&#8217;m working on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 02:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also a child of a bipolar parent (as well as an array of other mental disorders). I was in the gifted program in school, scoring a 138 when I took an IQ test in the 1st grade. Like others posted I am into psychology (just graduated w/ a BA psych) and am about to start grad school for counseling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also a child of a bipolar parent (as well as an array of other mental disorders). I was in the gifted program in school, scoring a 138 when I took an IQ test in the 1st grade. Like others posted I am into psychology (just graduated w/ a BA psych) and am about to start grad school for counseling.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This explains a lot about my life, thanks. I can't figure out if it's the genetic component or I got creative from dealing with my crazy mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This explains a lot about my life, thanks. I can&#8217;t figure out if it&#8217;s the genetic component or I got creative from dealing with my crazy mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading your post I feel compelled to share my little bit of pride with you (and those who also may come across this post in the future).

 I am the child of a paranoid schizophrenic and, coincidently, had been *tagged* (or labelled as my father would put it) as a gifted child in school. That was in an era when there were no such programs in school for children - at least not in public school.  At the age of 21 I was diagnosed as having clinical depression and the psychiatrists I saw all agreed that the symptoms lurked way back to the age of roughly 14.  At the age of 37 - following at least 24 treated depressive episodes - I was "rediagnosed" with Bipolar 2.  So what, right?  When my then-4 year old daughter finished preschool (having overcome a severe speech delay with flying colours) it was recommended by 3 different professionals that she enter French Immersion kindergarten because otherwise she would be bored with the regular cirriculum within a month of the beginning of the school year.  By December of her kindergarten year she had met ALL the criteria for grade one entrance.  She is now in French immersion grade one and her teacher is amazed that she has already met all the criteria for grade 2 entrance! (By the way, nobody in our family speaks a single word of French!) Two other school staff have strongly suggested she be put into some form of private art classes as she supposedly demonstrates drawing abilities equivalent to grade 5. Unfortunately I know nothing about drawing as my particular creative streaks run in music and poetry.  Every day she asks questions I never even considered until high school - deep thought provoking rhetorical type questions.  I can't keep up!! Another interesting connection I have come across in the last few years is the potential connection between creativity and sensory issues, as my daughter has ALSO been diagnosed (or labelled or whatever you would like to call it) with Sensory Integration Dysfunction!  I know they can't typically diagnose Bipolar or Schizophrenia at such a tender age but I have many moments where I wonder how much of the sensory issues may morph into one of the above ailments as there are certainly some symptom similarities. (I do worry that her description of wind blowing on her arm hair feeling like bugs might be a precursor to hallucinations in the future - but what mother with carrying such a family heirloom wouldn't from time to time). 

Anyway, I just wanted to comment that I am intrigued by the current research with respect to links between mental illness and giftedness.  I find it interesting that it is starting to look like the very ailments that at one time appeared to be indicative of cognitive delays (NOT the terminology used back then) are showing the extreme opposite!  To those who ever doubted the inner workings of the mute child I say Shame On You!!! (but in MUCH more harsh terminology LOL!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your post I feel compelled to share my little bit of pride with you (and those who also may come across this post in the future).</p>
<p> I am the child of a paranoid schizophrenic and, coincidently, had been *tagged* (or labelled as my father would put it) as a gifted child in school. That was in an era when there were no such programs in school for children - at least not in public school.  At the age of 21 I was diagnosed as having clinical depression and the psychiatrists I saw all agreed that the symptoms lurked way back to the age of roughly 14.  At the age of 37 - following at least 24 treated depressive episodes - I was &#8220;rediagnosed&#8221; with Bipolar 2.  So what, right?  When my then-4 year old daughter finished preschool (having overcome a severe speech delay with flying colours) it was recommended by 3 different professionals that she enter French Immersion kindergarten because otherwise she would be bored with the regular cirriculum within a month of the beginning of the school year.  By December of her kindergarten year she had met ALL the criteria for grade one entrance.  She is now in French immersion grade one and her teacher is amazed that she has already met all the criteria for grade 2 entrance! (By the way, nobody in our family speaks a single word of French!) Two other school staff have strongly suggested she be put into some form of private art classes as she supposedly demonstrates drawing abilities equivalent to grade 5. Unfortunately I know nothing about drawing as my particular creative streaks run in music and poetry.  Every day she asks questions I never even considered until high school - deep thought provoking rhetorical type questions.  I can&#8217;t keep up!! Another interesting connection I have come across in the last few years is the potential connection between creativity and sensory issues, as my daughter has ALSO been diagnosed (or labelled or whatever you would like to call it) with Sensory Integration Dysfunction!  I know they can&#8217;t typically diagnose Bipolar or Schizophrenia at such a tender age but I have many moments where I wonder how much of the sensory issues may morph into one of the above ailments as there are certainly some symptom similarities. (I do worry that her description of wind blowing on her arm hair feeling like bugs might be a precursor to hallucinations in the future - but what mother with carrying such a family heirloom wouldn&#8217;t from time to time). </p>
<p>Anyway, I just wanted to comment that I am intrigued by the current research with respect to links between mental illness and giftedness.  I find it interesting that it is starting to look like the very ailments that at one time appeared to be indicative of cognitive delays (NOT the terminology used back then) are showing the extreme opposite!  To those who ever doubted the inner workings of the mute child I say Shame On You!!! (but in MUCH more harsh terminology LOL!).</p>
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