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	<title>Comments on: Ruby Punditry: The Ruby Conspiracy</title>
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		<title>By: Brandon Harper</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2006/07/ruby-punditry-the-ruby-conspiracy/#comment-15579</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, nevermind, I see that &lt;a href="http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/schedule/speaker/148" rel="nofollow"&gt;you work at Yahoo!&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, nevermind, I see that <a href="http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/schedule/speaker/148" rel="nofollow">you work at Yahoo!</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Harper</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2006/07/ruby-punditry-the-ruby-conspiracy/#comment-15577</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,

To me, a wide variety of applications can be considered Enterprise applications.  At the low end, it could involve a web application which is clustered, fault-tolerant, and uses many servers to provide services.  At the high-end, it would be something to the effect of it being a small piece of an Enterprise Architecture, which contains many large disparate systems which work with each other, such as the various applications used in a bank.

Likewise I'm not being snarky, but Wikipedia has a decent but curt definition of what an &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_application" rel="nofollow"&gt;Enterprise Application is&lt;/a&gt; as well.

And hey, thanks for reading.   I assume you're a Django developer for the Times?  I've been playing with it quite a bit over the past few months and love it.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>To me, a wide variety of applications can be considered Enterprise applications.  At the low end, it could involve a web application which is clustered, fault-tolerant, and uses many servers to provide services.  At the high-end, it would be something to the effect of it being a small piece of an Enterprise Architecture, which contains many large disparate systems which work with each other, such as the various applications used in a bank.</p>
<p>Likewise I&#8217;m not being snarky, but Wikipedia has a decent but curt definition of what an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_application" rel="nofollow">Enterprise Application is</a> as well.</p>
<p>And hey, thanks for reading.   I assume you&#8217;re a Django developer for the Times?  I&#8217;ve been playing with it quite a bit over the past few months and love it.  <img src='http://devnulled.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Simon Willison</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2006/07/ruby-punditry-the-ruby-conspiracy/#comment-15471</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Willison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don't know what &lt;em&gt;enterprise&lt;/em&gt; means. Does running &lt;a href="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/" rel="nofollow"&gt;sites for the Washington Post&lt;/a&gt; count?

I don't mean to sound snarky, I'm just genuinely confused as to what people mean when they say "enterprise".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t know what <em>enterprise</em> means. Does running <a href="http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/" rel="nofollow">sites for the Washington Post</a> count?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to sound snarky, I&#8217;m just genuinely confused as to what people mean when they say &#8220;enterprise&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Harper</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2006/07/ruby-punditry-the-ruby-conspiracy/#comment-14837</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to mention, I'm obviously a fan of agile languages as "glue" (ie.. my interest in languages like ColdFusion and Python), especially when integrating legacy systems in an SOA manner, and I think they are a great way to put things together.  However I'm not sure that building a full enterprise service on one of those platforms would be in the best interest of a large enterprise.  Sometimes the big iron really is appropriate (though EJB makes the baby Jesus cry).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to mention, I&#8217;m obviously a fan of agile languages as &#8220;glue&#8221; (ie.. my interest in languages like ColdFusion and Python), especially when integrating legacy systems in an SOA manner, and I think they are a great way to put things together.  However I&#8217;m not sure that building a full enterprise service on one of those platforms would be in the best interest of a large enterprise.  Sometimes the big iron really is appropriate (though EJB makes the baby Jesus cry).</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Harper</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2006/07/ruby-punditry-the-ruby-conspiracy/#comment-14832</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, I haven't seen that-- thanks for the link Sean.

Looks like he's been using Ruby as his light/fun language for quite awhile:

http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/RubyPeople.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I haven&#8217;t seen that&#8211; thanks for the link Sean.</p>
<p>Looks like he&#8217;s been using Ruby as his light/fun language for quite awhile:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/RubyPeople.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/RubyPeople.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean Corfield</title>
		<link>http://devnulled.com/content/2006/07/ruby-punditry-the-ruby-conspiracy/#comment-14784</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Corfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read Martin Fowler's take on "enterprise" RoR?

http://martinfowler.com/bliki/EnterpriseRails.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read Martin Fowler&#8217;s take on &#8220;enterprise&#8221; RoR?</p>
<p><a href="http://martinfowler.com/bliki/EnterpriseRails.html" rel="nofollow">http://martinfowler.com/bliki/EnterpriseRails.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: barry.b</title>
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		<dc:creator>barry.b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>these are my thoughts also (admittedly with less conspiracy theory and more people getting sucked in with the hype).

there's no doubt that RoR can do some great stuff but it's really for new sites, not legacy systems. the last job had a db schema that would have meant throwing Rails away and reverting to coding Ruby by hand... if you could get the driver for it (you can't: informix). 

People always forget about maintainance and the years to follow.

sure it works... down hill with a tailwind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these are my thoughts also (admittedly with less conspiracy theory and more people getting sucked in with the hype).</p>
<p>there&#8217;s no doubt that RoR can do some great stuff but it&#8217;s really for new sites, not legacy systems. the last job had a db schema that would have meant throwing Rails away and reverting to coding Ruby by hand&#8230; if you could get the driver for it (you can&#8217;t: informix). </p>
<p>People always forget about maintainance and the years to follow.</p>
<p>sure it works&#8230; down hill with a tailwind!</p>
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