Comments on: PHP Makes the Baby Jesus Cry http://devnulled.com/content/2006/09/php-makes-the-baby-jesus-cry/ devnulled provides news, tips, resources, and articles about various topics that software developers and engineers enjoy. Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:41:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Marnen Laibow-Koser http://devnulled.com/content/2006/09/php-makes-the-baby-jesus-cry/#comment-97626 Marnen Laibow-Koser Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:02:41 +0000 http://devnulled.com/content/2006/09/php-makes-the-baby-jesus-cry/#comment-97626 I'm getting really tired of people making vaguely disparaging statements about Perl and PHP (which happen to be two of my favorite languages) without really giving concrete reasons for their dislike. Yes, that error message you saw is awful (although I disagree that stack traces are unnecessary). No, it's not at all typical of PHP, at least in my experience. The error messages I'm accustomed to getting in PHP development are short and generally informative. Note also that that does not look like a PHP-generated error message -- more likely it was some sort of error logging generated by MediaWiki. So it's not really fair to criticize PHP for the fault of an application. I also disagree with your comment about MediaWiki installation. Granted, I've never tried to do any serious customization on it, but I find it ridiculously easy to install. And the LoadBalancer file? How do you know that that's not where PHP's built-in load balancing functions are called? Have you checked the code there, or are you just making assumptions? Please, if you're going to say you dislike a language, at least give some decent reasons. And by the way, how on earth is PHP like C? I’m getting really tired of people making vaguely disparaging statements about Perl and PHP (which happen to be two of my favorite languages) without really giving concrete reasons for their dislike. Yes, that error message you saw is awful (although I disagree that stack traces are unnecessary). No, it’s not at all typical of PHP, at least in my experience. The error messages I’m accustomed to getting in PHP development are short and generally informative.

Note also that that does not look like a PHP-generated error message — more likely it was some sort of error logging generated by MediaWiki. So it’s not really fair to criticize PHP for the fault of an application.

I also disagree with your comment about MediaWiki installation. Granted, I’ve never tried to do any serious customization on it, but I find it ridiculously easy to install. And the LoadBalancer file? How do you know that that’s not where PHP’s built-in load balancing functions are called? Have you checked the code there, or are you just making assumptions?

Please, if you’re going to say you dislike a language, at least give some decent reasons.

And by the way, how on earth is PHP like C?

]]> By: Brandon Harper http://devnulled.com/content/2006/09/php-makes-the-baby-jesus-cry/#comment-20591 Brandon Harper Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:53:12 +0000 http://devnulled.com/content/2006/09/php-makes-the-baby-jesus-cry/#comment-20591 Yeah, I love Hani's rants, they kill me yet dispell truth. That comment reminds me of the <a href="http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Java" rel="nofollow">Uncyclopedia's entry about Java</a>-- in particular the Hello World examples. Yeah, I love Hani’s rants, they kill me yet dispell truth. That comment reminds me of the Uncyclopedia’s entry about Java– in particular the Hello World examples.

]]> By: Sean LeBlanc http://devnulled.com/content/2006/09/php-makes-the-baby-jesus-cry/#comment-20590 Sean LeBlanc Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:42:06 +0000 http://devnulled.com/content/2006/09/php-makes-the-baby-jesus-cry/#comment-20590 Heh. I'm reminded of Hani's recent entry - http://jroller.com/page/fate?entry=please_no_more_logging. One of the commenters really hit home with this remark: "A an error message is really not the time to tell us about the 648 classes you used just so we can print hello world all of which read like DelegatingPOJOMashallingReflectionProxyStabInTheAssBean. " LOL. Even though I've helped pick and then use Spring and Hibernate in a past project, I can still identify with that. Heh. I’m reminded of Hani’s recent entry - http://jroller.com/page/fate?e.....re_logging.

One of the commenters really hit home with this remark: “A an error message is really not the time to tell us about the 648 classes you used just so we can print hello world all of which read like DelegatingPOJOMashallingReflectionProxyStabInTheAssBean. ”
LOL.
Even though I’ve helped pick and then use Spring and Hibernate in a past project, I can still identify with that.

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